Black Looks

How do people get away with this?

Is Tutankhamun supposed to be like, urm, some specimen of entertainment like Michael Jackson?

History – and Art History! Don’t even get me started…

Sokari:

Thanks for telling it like it is. Once you go further back in Egyptian history the self illustrated depictions go from being that ochre reddish brown color to being almost midnight black. Also, the head dress that the popular cartoons like to show as a cloth begin to look more and more like corn rolls the further back you go.

Something that can’t be taken away, based upon who occupies those lands today, are that the civilizations (Kush and Nubia) that pre-date the Kemetic are undeniably black.

JohnofScribblesheet:

The way that people get away with it is by having the power to print it. When we don’t challenge such false assumptions then we in turn give even more power to the perps.

Basically, the reason that these types of things are propogated is to lend credence to the past and present treatment of black peoples of the world. If popular society owns up to the fact that Africa was civilized prior to colonialism and actually suffered net losses in every category as a result of colonialization; then the west looks more culpable. Thus, myths and lies such as the one Sokari brings up are created to make it seem as though colonization of the continent was some sort of gift.

Annwen:

What does your question mean?

This is an unbelievable post. Simply unbelievable.

Don’t you think that you are trespassing here! Ima Egyptian- an arab and its only us Egyptians who can talk about our history. Egyptians dude are not black. I have nothing against blacks neither am I a racist. But that doesnt give the right to anyone black or somethingelse to distort my history .Umfortunatelyu most Egyptians are. if you come to Egypt you wull find that more 95% are cocassians. what is worse they are more racist than Hitler Germany.

check the foloowing studies made different american and European sources as well as Egyptuians:
http://www.geocities.com/enbp/genetics.html.

what counts more is the visual inspection of mumies who still retain their features. without any doubt they were all cocassian and some were even with red hair just like the ontemporary egyptians

The copts who are the are the most conservative portion of population are lighter than Arabs and usually have green eyes and brown hair.

genetic and DNA studies the most scientific ethnicity determination matter identify ” ancient Egyptians” as Arabs or in different sense middle eastern mediteranuian. The ancient Egyptian language was almost semitic with some” northern cocassian amazigh influence” witrh about 100,000 common words with Arabic which is mix of all ancioent arabic languages.

tghe only black people in Egypt who were portrayed on Egyptian temples as slaves. except in some rare cases when the king had a taste for their women, and took them as queens.

now hre is a reluiable article I wrote about race in ancient Egypt:

We all know that the Somerians the Babylonians, Phoenecians, Ammorites, Egyptians were all great civilsations that grew and flourished within almost the same time span within the same geographical boundaries and geopolitical system in the ancient world thousands of years ago.

They all interacted and influenced among eachother.
Untill the entire middle eastern fell a prey to the greco roman dominance and allien persian colonism of mesoptmia.

The barbaric persians adopted babylonian and mesoptamian culture and learning which forms the entire persian legacy(untill the semitic Arabs reurned the favour later, enslaved the persians and imposed their culture on them. The arabic tribes of Arabia rose up consolidated Egypt, North ASfrica, the fetile crescent and Iraq into one cultural system.The arabic culture is the integral summation of the ancient idigenous middle eastern semitic cultures cultures.

As for what is called the Arabs form the Arabian peninsula..the jeudo arabian mythology concieves Ismael the grandfather of the Arabians to be the son of an Egyptian MOTHER HAGER and a banished IRAQUI IBRAHIM!!!!
so from the very first begining and at a subcontial mythological level, arabism is a noble unifying project

The sedentry or yemense or KA7TAN Arabs formed the nucleus of Arabism . Later on, nomadic tribes who were some sort of middle eastern racial and cultural mix were pushed to the desert adopted the ka7tani culture and became the second branch of the Arabs the 3dnanyeen Arabs!

Bottom of the line dude. I have nothing against balck people- they are great ones. However mind your own business and dont impose your self on others or distort their history.

we have got enopugh problem in the Arab world so definetly we dont need any more hallucinations from others

Just Benin, I think your post is right on except the part about justifying past occupation. I think it has much more to do with maintaining present power than sustaining an old and obviously skewed historical narrative.

And amre el-abyad, you’re an idiot.

anonymous- you are cowardly, since you have allowed yourself the indulgence of calling me names- while you keep your identity concelaed instead of taking on my points in a civilised and descent way. I afraid to admit that this sort of attidude is quite allien to our 7000 years old Arab Egyptian culture.

And it is not about history nor narratives-dude, rather it is about mummies, again I repeat mummies are medoiterenian white. That is whatt counts- they typically look like any contemporary Arab man
. DNA doesnt lie as well
http://www.geocities.com/enbp/genetics.html

the lionk it didn’t work on the previous comment due to a full stop read it again.

as for the temples, Egyptioans had a clear cut caucassian features and bronte skin while women had white skin! Have you ever asked yourself why? it is because Egyptian men work in the field under the sun while women stay at home.

Iam talking about language ancient Egyptian language which is an ancestor of Arabic . Iam talking about one continious thousands of years Arab history.

By the way I think that you black people are the most racist people in the world because you divide people according to their skin colour what have you got with Egypt nothing- neither your language nor your looks nor skin colour nor your culture. all what you have is some nutsy-style theories about an intelligent perished black race.

following your skewed line of argument, then genetically and racially ancient Egyptians are Arabs. they are of course Arabs in culture. But iam just using your skewed racist narratives

Amre El-Abyad,
I guess you think that black people have no experience with knowing Egyptians, having talked to them and have gotten some knowledge of who they think they are.

I posted this comment on African Path where this blog post was mirrored, but the response here has been better so I’m going to mirror my comment too:

Via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun:

Terry Garcia, National Geographic’s executive vice president for mission programs, said, in response to some protesters of the King Tut reconstruction:

“The big variable is skin tone. North Africans, we know today, had a range of skin tones, from light to dark. In this case, we selected a medium skin tone, and we say, quite up front, ‘This is midrange.’ We will never know for sure what his exact skin tone was or the colour of his eyes with 100% certainty. …Maybe in the future, people will come to a different conclusion.”

Amre-El Abyad, you have said it clearly you are an Arab.What the hell you Arabs have with Egypt? Not a darn thing. Arabs have nothing at all to do with Ancient Egyptians. You are invaders in Africa. Your people are from the Arabian peninsiula. You are so ignorant and clueless and want to be considered white like the Europeans; who also are another set of fools,and they see you as you truly are primitive and ignorant.You are an hybrid race that came out of the desert, and have tried very hard to imitate the Ancient-Hebrews,thus your hatred of them.You have carefully copied from Judaism and Christianity and thus have created Islam, which is a bastardized version of Judaism and Christianity.Your people arrived on the African continent centuries behind the existence of Ancient Egypt. Coptic Egyptians are not Arabs. They were smart enough not to adapt Islam as a religion, they are Christians and like most Christians they look down on Arabs. They are also not indigenous Egyptians. Incidentally, you also stole the name from Ancient Egypt. You really should be called Arab whtever.In that very modern Egypt they are indigenous Egytians, and they are Black. They are the descendants of Ancient Egyptians. The only thing they are so marginalized and discriminated that they themselves are clueless and do not know what is going on so they are busy trying to mimic you, who really are from Arabia.You are some of the most confused and contrary people on God’s earth.Try winning a blasted war for once.Are you really men, or a bunch of cowards who are so afraid of women that you have to dominate them? What the hell you know of history, if you spend all your life reading one blasted book?

Amre El-Abyad,

You mean that I’m afraid of what you’ll do to me from the other side of my computer screen?

Your reading of history is notably limited. No historians of any reputation dispute the dominance of Arab ethnics in the later dynasties or the East African origin of Egypt’s earliest populations and elites. What’s disputed is who gets to take credit for the extraordinary features of Egyptian culture everyone admires today. Whoever gets to write the story today can claim significant influence, and that makes this interminable debate squarely about maintaining current power.

Your argument about the ethnic identity of mummified corpses is short-sighted and rejected by geneticists. Because, similarly, if you tried to make an argument about the history of the Americas by digging up graves, the bodies you unearth would be white too, and your history would still be notably incomplete.

Amre Arab

It is quite clear you know very little about ancient African history.

The Arabs are not indigenous to Africa, they came in from what is now known as the middle east and settled in the ancient Ethiopian empire which was ruled by the black Pharaohs up until about 4500BC.

The capital of ancient Egypt was at Thebes and the Pharaohs there were of Nubian stock (black).The empire streched from what is now Ethiopia to modern day Egypt.

I will give you a simple example. The Sphinx has an African nose that was dynamited off in a pathetic attempt to give it a more “caucasian” look. Ramses was the man depicted on the Sphinx. I presume you have heard of him ?

The pyramids themselves were an import of African technology brought in from Nubia from where the technology was first developed.

You seem desparate to westernize black achievement. The truth is that the Arabs introduced nothing to Africa. Even the ancient writing systems were developed by black people and then the Arabs copied. It really is that simple.

Sadly I do not have the time to provide you with a detailed explanation, but I might if some of my fellow Africans nudge me a little.

Before you try to debate what I say, let me inform you that I do not depend on the internet for my knowledge. I have a masters (hons) in history.

Afritude, It is about time some of us educate those people and put them in line for invading Africa and disrespecting our people.They have contributed to the demise of the Africans. The enslavement of the African people from centuries way back and even up to today,the genocide in Darfur, and the destruction of many modern African countries economies, I lay at the feet of the Arabs.

Too often Blacks in the Diaspora tend to embrace Arabs,ignoring that they are helping destroy our brothers and sisters on the continent. Amre, is so blasted confused he called himself Caucasian.They will live their last days to be considered white, as if that is anything to be desired.

Arabs are a semitic people, hence their semitic language, Arabic. Semitic people are therefore not Caucasians.Caucasians are an IndoEuropean people, thus their IndoEuropean languages.He needs a course in Geography also so he can locate the blasted Caucasus mountains and also the Arabian desert. Today Arabs are so racially mixed that it is the sole reason along with their religion,that Caucasians cannot stand them.

Amre, is so ignorant as to his origins, that I do not even believe that teaching him will make him understand anything. The Arabs are from Arabia,Causcasians are not from Arabia, dude.Long after the existence of Ancient Egypt,the Arabs were in the desert worshiping things.

I do not enjoy the suffering of anyone because my people have suffered long enough, but I cannot helped believing that the hell that the Arabs are in now is retribution for the suffering that they have inflicted on our people. It is ironic that the two people (Arabs and Europeans) who have brought on destruction to our people are at each other throats with vehement hatred and causing hell for each other.It only shows evil does not pay, even if it is masked, hidden and covered with religious tenets.Only good people will ultimately see God.

Yes, I can say it loud and clear and I am a historian, the Arabs had nothing to do with Ancient Egypt.

And also let me add that I am Afro Panamanian,yes an African from the Republic of Panama.Saludos a todos mis hermanos y hermanas Africanos en Africa y en la Diaspora.Con mucha honra les saludo.(Greetings to all my African brothers and sisters in Africa and troughout the Diaspora.With great honor I salute you.)

Afritude,

I’m nudging. Would you point me to some of your favorite sources, especially for early writing systems?

Thanks in advance.

Amre El-Abyad, there is nothing in all of the gibberish that you’ve written, to explain why the original drawings on Tutankhamun’s tomb are drawings of black people. Were those people not Egyptians too?

I still cannot get over the fact that growing up in Africa, I was actually taught in school by my African schoolteacher, that my homeland was discovered by Europeans; that an Englishman called Mungo Park ‘discovered’ the source and the route of the Niger River; a river along the banks of which my ancestors had lived, died, travelled and traded for centuries.

Ana

You are crazy. whether you have got a masters or not that doesnt count. Egypt is for Egyptians LOL. 90 % of Egyptians are white and even when they are brown they are uterly racist with black people especially those from East Africa. I know it is cruel but it was not me who made things like that.

For your ignorance. Arabism is more of political and cultural movement as opposed to a racial one. There is no such thing as an Arab race. Arabs like Egyptians are fundamentally medeterraenian. oF COURSE THERE ARE SOME COMMON dna CLUSTERS, HOWEVER THAT IS NOT THE MAIN ISSUE

TUT- ANKH AMMON muummy was causcassian so was his DNA. yet he had a black statue , that is what we call idealim lol.

aS i TOLD YOU MOST OF THE WOMEN ON WALLS WERE WHITE WHILE MEN WERE TANNED BECAUSE THEY WORK.

NUBIANS IN ANCIENT TIMES WERE NEVER EGYPTIANS THEY WERE ALWAYS AN ENEMY A SOURCE O SLAVES. IAM AFRAID TO TELL YOU THAT BALCK SALVERY WAS TH BACKBONE OF ANCIENT EGYPT.

Also it is clear thay you are confounding ethnicity with race! Semitism is aan ethnicity, for there is no such thing as a destinguished semitic race. Semites are basically mediterraenean people.

One more thing many egyptians dont consider themselves Arabs, and consider themselves to be pharoahs. Guess what??? they are white and usually extremely racist with AFRICANS????

AND LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ALL THESE PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED. WHITE IS WHITE AND BLACK IS BALCK. DEFINETLY eGYPTIANS AND ARABS ARE NOT EUROPEANS AND THEY DONT EVEN WANT OT BE……BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE THEM UNCAUCASSIAN OR BLACK.

ANNA PLEASE COME TO EGYPT AND SAY THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE SAYING. I ASSURE THAT YOU WILL BE SUBJECTED TO A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE, EGYPTIANS ARE MOST RACIST FORM OF MIDDL EASTERNS, EVEN AMONG FELLOW NORTH AFRICANS AND ARABS lol

AS for me, I dont care. But I find extrewmely annoying that creatures like anna impose themselves on great nation like egypt and distort its history.

your punishment is to be invited to egypt.

you know what that is real sytory. A BLACK MAN ( NOT REALLY BLACK) FROM U.S INSISTED THAT IS THE DESCENDENT OF KING TUT IN 1990. HE MADE A FUSS IN THE PRESS. GUESS WHAT ? HE WAS PUT IN A MAD HOUSE FOR TREATMENT FROM PHSYCHOSIS THEN SHIPPED BACK TO THE US.

AS FOR ME IAM NOT IN DIASPORA AND IAM NOT AN IMMIGRANT. AND MOST PEOPLE TAKE ME FOR A HWITE MAN UNTILL I TELL THEM IAM NOT………

now fuck off egypt and mind your own busness. AS I TOLD IAM NOT RACIST AND I HAVENOTHING AGAINST BLACKS. BUT I HAVE TO DESPISE PEP+LE WHO IMPOSE THEMSELVES ON OTHERS.

Poor Amre, You are upset because you have realized that no one sees Arabs as white. You go to Europe and see how they treat Arabs, idiot. If Arabs were Caucasians they would not have any problems with real white people.

There is no such thing as “race”. But we have ethnic groups and national groups, that share languages, cultures and places of origins. People are based on language,national origins, etc. It is clear that the ancient Arabs originated in the desert of Arabia.the Europeans are Caucasian and they speak an Indo- European language.Hey to upset you even more the Ancient Persians, today Iranians are Caucasians, their language Farsi is IndoEuropean.The Kurds and the people of Afghanistan their languages are IndoEuropean. They are white.

My punishment? You think you are speaking to one of your ignorant women?I have no interest in visiting muslim nations. I know what I will encounter, a fucking backward people, who are confused and ignorant, a people who believe that religion unites people. There is nowhere in the history of mankind that religion has ever united any group of people.Only the Jews, and that is because they are an ancient people united by history and a religious culture.You could never step in the shoes of the Hebrews, not in a million years.

Do you really believe that men globally are foolish like you? There goes the serious psychosis of the Arabs”most people take me for a white man, and I tell them I am not”,why the hell are you going back against your words?You said Arabs were white. Isn’t it embarrasing and shameful that whites do not consider you to be white, and you are dying to be?

Proof:How are Arabs treated in France, England, Germany, and the U.S.?Maybe that is the reason why you are afraid to leave Egypt. You mentioned Hitler. Do you really believe he would have embraced “dirty Arabs”?Who the hell is an immigrant? You are part of the hybrid Arab world, period.

I am a child of the Americas. An Afro Panamanian. The entire American continent is my fucking home.Africa is the homeland of my ancestors. Incidentally many of my relatives are much lighter than Arabs and they are not confused about anything. What the fuck is you all problem? Who gives ten coconuts if the Arabs are racist? You cannot even solve your own problems? You are your own worst enemy.You are quick to hurt your own people faster than anyone can say “what”?

Eventually the big conflict of the 21st century will envolved Arabs eventually self destructing. What 2 groups are fighting in the Gaza now? What 2 groups are fighting in Iraq? You have the nerve to feel that you are superior, when you are filled with such self hatred solely because whites hate your hybridness and your religion?

Get a life and live, and let live. At the same time free your women, show your intelligence, maybe they will ultimately solve your problems, because you are not man enough to.

Learn to spell, my name has one “n”. Carajo and Mierda to you.

I hope my African brothers and sisters who practice Islam can really get the gist of how those people think.It is all about pushing an Arab(hybridness).
nationalism in which the other muslims, Persians, Kurds, Africans and other Asians will not have a chance.It is no secret that when African muslims show up in Saudi Arabia that they are treated like trash.There goes the end of the myth that religion inifies.

Hey, Amre, without the North American taxes thet help fuel Egypt’s economy, you Arabs in Egypt would be eating locusts for breakfast, lunch and dinner.That helps keep all of you in check, fooling yourselves that you are great.Solve your problems at home first before you interfere in the affairs of others. This is my contribution to your national quagmire. Saludos

your ignorance is is phenomenal. people like you should rstick to the carrebeans.

The majority of Egyptian women are not vieled. In cairo you will find the ost flourishing cinema industry in the middl east where egyptian women are at the forefront LOL.

And it i secular nation with bars and belly dancer and churches all over the place.

Just google up.

When I say iam not white i mean iam not european. very ignorant you are. stay in Carriebeans, fish and dance the hola bola.

IAM NOT TALIKNG ABOUT RELGOUS DISCRIMANTION.

iAM TALKING ABOPUT RACIAL ONE. oRDINARY EVERYDAY EGYPTIANS CALL BALCK PEOPLE NAMES IN TH STREETS . AND CONSIDER THEM TO NON HUMAN. i HATE THIS AND i FIGHT WITH MY COUNTRY MEN FOR IT.
by the way iam treated with respect all over europe meainly because of my LOOKS and muklti ultural attidude. Those are discrimnated gainst are usually hard cre ignorant muslims who dont know about islam.

If you feel like you are unworthy and you want to make yourself proud, then go and stick yourself to other people but leave the racist egyptians alone LOL

mAYBE THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOU ANGRY. becauae yiou definetly can see the difference in looks.

IN CASE YOU HAVE NOTICED EGYPTIAN DISREGARSD AFRICA AND AFRICANS TOTALY. IT IS YOU WHO BARKING LIKE A MAD DOG TO IMPOSE YOURSELF ON PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT.

TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, YES WE ARE BAD PEOPLE. SO GET LOST AND LEAVE US ALONE NOBODY WANTS YOUR LIKES IN EGYPT