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		<title>By: Sokari</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49553</link>
		<dc:creator>Sokari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie@ understatement! I cannot speak for the French or their language. However I must say when I first arrived in Spain (not speaking more than 5 words) I did find it strange hearing this word &quot;negro&quot; used in general everyday speech to mean simply black as in colour.  I still feel strange when I hear it or use it myself as a descriptive - it doesn&#039;t flow easily from my tongue.  

A couple of days ago I was sitting on a bus minding my own business when a grandmother and her grandson got on the bus. The little guy was possibly 3/4 and he sat opposite me and kept holding his grans face and pointing to me saying &quot;negro&quot; &quot;negro&quot; - I kept a straight face more interested in the adult reaction than the childs words.  She tried her best to ignore and that spoke loud for me.  I tried to start a conversation about black with the kid but he was too young so we just chatted much to the visible annoyance of his gran.  

The Spanish derogatory term is to  use the word &quot;inmigrante&quot; for people of colour or from the global south&quot; as opposed to those from Europe.   &quot;inmigrante is a nasty word in Spanish - negro inmigrante is probably worse though I dont know that they use that term. Just the little kid saying &quot;negro&quot; and pointing was a bit disconcerting to say the least - coming from London anyway. 

I think your visit to Martinique will be a revelation in language and race:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie@ understatement! I cannot speak for the French or their language. However I must say when I first arrived in Spain (not speaking more than 5 words) I did find it strange hearing this word &#8220;negro&#8221; used in general everyday speech to mean simply black as in colour.  I still feel strange when I hear it or use it myself as a descriptive &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t flow easily from my tongue.  </p>
<p>A couple of days ago I was sitting on a bus minding my own business when a grandmother and her grandson got on the bus. The little guy was possibly 3/4 and he sat opposite me and kept holding his grans face and pointing to me saying &#8220;negro&#8221; &#8220;negro&#8221; &#8211; I kept a straight face more interested in the adult reaction than the childs words.  She tried her best to ignore and that spoke loud for me.  I tried to start a conversation about black with the kid but he was too young so we just chatted much to the visible annoyance of his gran.  </p>
<p>The Spanish derogatory term is to  use the word &#8220;inmigrante&#8221; for people of colour or from the global south&#8221; as opposed to those from Europe.   &#8220;inmigrante is a nasty word in Spanish &#8211; negro inmigrante is probably worse though I dont know that they use that term. Just the little kid saying &#8220;negro&#8221; and pointing was a bit disconcerting to say the least &#8211; coming from London anyway. </p>
<p>I think your visit to Martinique will be a revelation in language and race:)</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49521</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keguro, I have read parts of Edward&#039;s piece and found it very helpful. I hope to get through all of it. Thanks for the tip.

Bosse, I don&#039;t recall suggesting any link between my two streams of thought. I write in a very stream of consciousness style.

Sokari and Rethabile, the more I dig, the more I find that you&#039;ve only given me part of the answer. French people today do not use the word &#039;negre.&#039; In fact most people generally hesitate to use the word. Is it simply anachronistic or is it a derogatory term? I think I&#039;m going to take a step back from this forum for a bit and re-formulate my questions. Research is hard:-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keguro, I have read parts of Edward&#8217;s piece and found it very helpful. I hope to get through all of it. Thanks for the tip.</p>
<p>Bosse, I don&#8217;t recall suggesting any link between my two streams of thought. I write in a very stream of consciousness style.</p>
<p>Sokari and Rethabile, the more I dig, the more I find that you&#8217;ve only given me part of the answer. French people today do not use the word &#8216;negre.&#8217; In fact most people generally hesitate to use the word. Is it simply anachronistic or is it a derogatory term? I think I&#8217;m going to take a step back from this forum for a bit and re-formulate my questions. Research is hard:-(</p>
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		<title>By: Sokari</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49492</link>
		<dc:creator>Sokari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie@ I say the same as Rethabile as negro in Spanish (Latin) means black which is quite different to &quot;nigger&quot;. As Hathor states i have heard the term &quot;nigger&quot; used to describe people form Arab speaking countries as well as Indians, Pakistanis and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie@ I say the same as Rethabile as negro in Spanish (Latin) means black which is quite different to &#8220;nigger&#8221;. As Hathor states i have heard the term &#8220;nigger&#8221; used to describe people form Arab speaking countries as well as Indians, Pakistanis and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Keguro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keguro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, if you haven&#039;t already, take a look at Brent Edward&#039;s The Practice of Diaspora. Especially in the intro and first chapter, he explains the problem of translation when moving from French to English and vice-versa, especially when it comes to terms like &quot;black,&quot; &quot;negro,&quot; &quot;noir,&quot; &quot;nigger,&quot; and &quot;negre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, if you haven&#8217;t already, take a look at Brent Edward&#8217;s The Practice of Diaspora. Especially in the intro and first chapter, he explains the problem of translation when moving from French to English and vice-versa, especially when it comes to terms like &#8220;black,&#8221; &#8220;negro,&#8221; &#8220;noir,&#8221; &#8220;nigger,&#8221; and &#8220;negre.</p>
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		<title>By: Bosse Hammarström</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49457</link>
		<dc:creator>Bosse Hammarström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone please explain the connexion between the n-word and the first page in &quot;The No. 1 Ladies&#039; etective Agency&quot;.
Am I dumb, or what?

Bosse Hammarström
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone please explain the connexion between the n-word and the first page in &#8220;The No. 1 Ladies&#8217; etective Agency&#8221;.<br />
Am I dumb, or what?</p>
<p>Bosse Hammarström<br />
<a href="http://www.bossesblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bossesblog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tokunbo</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49456</link>
		<dc:creator>tokunbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is it possible to “de-niggerfy a nigger?” What are the implications?&quot;

To de-niggerfy a nigger is to say that &#039;hair could grow on one&#039;s palms&#039;, meaning to say a &#039;de-niggerfied&#039; nigger will become white. It is easier to be &#039;darkened&#039;, than to &#039;lighten&#039; up. Besides, no one has successfully changed the &#039;foundative&#039; genes of the black man. Kindly note: a &#039;nigga&#039;(thats the right word) is always a &#039;nigga&#039;, dead or alive. In fact, it doesn&#039;t matter if u&#039;re black, asian, white, latino or whatever. If you feel you are &#039;nigga&#039;, then you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is it possible to “de-niggerfy a nigger?” What are the implications?&#8221;</p>
<p>To de-niggerfy a nigger is to say that &#8216;hair could grow on one&#8217;s palms&#8217;, meaning to say a &#8216;de-niggerfied&#8217; nigger will become white. It is easier to be &#8216;darkened&#8217;, than to &#8216;lighten&#8217; up. Besides, no one has successfully changed the &#8216;foundative&#8217; genes of the black man. Kindly note: a &#8216;nigga&#8217;(thats the right word) is always a &#8216;nigga&#8217;, dead or alive. In fact, it doesn&#8217;t matter if u&#8217;re black, asian, white, latino or whatever. If you feel you are &#8216;nigga&#8217;, then you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciiku</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-49122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciiku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say that I loved No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. I think it has a special appeal to anyone who has lived in Botswana because, as Rethabile said, it depicts some of Botswana life.  I think also life in many parts of Africa, an older Africa, perhaps. I especially loved the character, Mma Ramotswe. No-one who&#039;s lived in Africa can deny they know someone just like her. Read it as a &quot;feel good&quot; book. Although some have argued that the author could be viewed as a little patronizing, I felt none of that. I believe that he writes of a simplicity of life in some parts of Africa that is simply undeniable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that I loved No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. I think it has a special appeal to anyone who has lived in Botswana because, as Rethabile said, it depicts some of Botswana life.  I think also life in many parts of Africa, an older Africa, perhaps. I especially loved the character, Mma Ramotswe. No-one who&#8217;s lived in Africa can deny they know someone just like her. Read it as a &#8220;feel good&#8221; book. Although some have argued that the author could be viewed as a little patronizing, I felt none of that. I believe that he writes of a simplicity of life in some parts of Africa that is simply undeniable.</p>
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		<title>By: Koluki</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-48958</link>
		<dc:creator>Koluki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a poem by Senghor to illustrate his use of the word Noir/Noire:

FEMME NOIR

Femme nue, femme noire
Vétue de ta couleur qui est vie, de ta forme qui est beauté
J&#039;ai grandi à ton ombre; la douceur de tes mains bandait mes yeux
Et voilà qu&#039;au coeur de l&#039;Eté et de Midi,
Je te découvre, Terre promise, du haut d&#039;un haut col calciné
Et ta beauté me foudroie en plein coeur, comme l&#039;éclair d&#039;un aigle

Femme nue, femme obscure
Fruit mûr à la chair ferme, sombres extases du vin noir, bouche qui fais
lyrique ma bouche
Savane aux horizons purs, savane qui frémis aux caresses ferventes du
Vent d&#039;Est
Tamtam sculpté, tamtam tendu qui gronde sous les doigts du vainqueur
Ta voix grave de contralto est le chant spirituel de l&#039;Aimée

Femme noire, femme obscure
Huile que ne ride nul souffle, huile calme aux flancs de l&#039;athlète, aux
flancs des princes du Mali
Gazelle aux attaches célestes, les perles sont étoiles sur la nuit de ta
peau.

Délices des jeux de l&#039;Esprit, les reflets de l&#039;or ronge ta peau qui se moire

A l&#039;ombre de ta chevelure, s&#039;éclaire mon angoisse aux soleils prochains
de tes yeux.

Femme nue, femme noire
Je chante ta beauté qui passe, forme que je fixe dans l&#039;Eternel
Avant que le destin jaloux ne te réduise en cendres pour nourrir les
racines de la vie.

Léopold Sédar Senghor, &quot;Oeuvres Poétiques&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a poem by Senghor to illustrate his use of the word Noir/Noire:</p>
<p>FEMME NOIR</p>
<p>Femme nue, femme noire<br />
Vétue de ta couleur qui est vie, de ta forme qui est beauté<br />
J&#8217;ai grandi à ton ombre; la douceur de tes mains bandait mes yeux<br />
Et voilà qu&#8217;au coeur de l&#8217;Eté et de Midi,<br />
Je te découvre, Terre promise, du haut d&#8217;un haut col calciné<br />
Et ta beauté me foudroie en plein coeur, comme l&#8217;éclair d&#8217;un aigle</p>
<p>Femme nue, femme obscure<br />
Fruit mûr à la chair ferme, sombres extases du vin noir, bouche qui fais<br />
lyrique ma bouche<br />
Savane aux horizons purs, savane qui frémis aux caresses ferventes du<br />
Vent d&#8217;Est<br />
Tamtam sculpté, tamtam tendu qui gronde sous les doigts du vainqueur<br />
Ta voix grave de contralto est le chant spirituel de l&#8217;Aimée</p>
<p>Femme noire, femme obscure<br />
Huile que ne ride nul souffle, huile calme aux flancs de l&#8217;athlète, aux<br />
flancs des princes du Mali<br />
Gazelle aux attaches célestes, les perles sont étoiles sur la nuit de ta<br />
peau.</p>
<p>Délices des jeux de l&#8217;Esprit, les reflets de l&#8217;or ronge ta peau qui se moire</p>
<p>A l&#8217;ombre de ta chevelure, s&#8217;éclaire mon angoisse aux soleils prochains<br />
de tes yeux.</p>
<p>Femme nue, femme noire<br />
Je chante ta beauté qui passe, forme que je fixe dans l&#8217;Eternel<br />
Avant que le destin jaloux ne te réduise en cendres pour nourrir les<br />
racines de la vie.</p>
<p>Léopold Sédar Senghor, &#8220;Oeuvres Poétiques&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rethabile</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2007/06/essentially_nigger.html#comment-48856</link>
		<dc:creator>Rethabile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Koluki and Hathor. Nigger and Negro aren&#039;t the same. The origin of the word Negro is Latin and it just means Black, whereas Nigger...

Besides, Negro is the academic equivalent of Caucasian or Asian. In other words, Nigger belongs to the same world as Honky and Chink. Unwanted words.

The French do use &quot;noir&quot; to refer to the colour (une voiture noir = a black car), but even they use &quot;negro&quot; to refer to folks of African descent.

About The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency, I agree that it&#039;s a bit slow, but perhaps that&#039;s why I thoroughly enjoyed it. I found that it depicted Botswana life marvellously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Koluki and Hathor. Nigger and Negro aren&#8217;t the same. The origin of the word Negro is Latin and it just means Black, whereas Nigger&#8230;</p>
<p>Besides, Negro is the academic equivalent of Caucasian or Asian. In other words, Nigger belongs to the same world as Honky and Chink. Unwanted words.</p>
<p>The French do use &#8220;noir&#8221; to refer to the colour (une voiture noir = a black car), but even they use &#8220;negro&#8221; to refer to folks of African descent.</p>
<p>About The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency, I agree that it&#8217;s a bit slow, but perhaps that&#8217;s why I thoroughly enjoyed it. I found that it depicted Botswana life marvellously.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the responses. I suspected that negre would be better translated as negro as opposed to nigger. But I think the question that still remains for me is what &quot;Negro&quot; itself meant i.e was it the n-word of the era? Something to be cringed at or something worth reclaiming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the responses. I suspected that negre would be better translated as negro as opposed to nigger. But I think the question that still remains for me is what &#8220;Negro&#8221; itself meant i.e was it the n-word of the era? Something to be cringed at or something worth reclaiming?</p>
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