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		<title>By: Yann</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-529</link>
		<author>Yann</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to hope that one day, a balance between north and south, east and west, will be reached...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to hope that one day, a balance between north and south, east and west, will be reached&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-528</link>
		<author>alex</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this is my last attempt at this, as replying to people that haven't actually read what I wrote is starting to eat up a lot of time.  

The point I was making is that the paragraph in question was taken totally out of context - in the rest of the report remmittances are considered, the reasons for migration are considered etc etc, the whole issue is presented as highly complex.  Also restrictions on migration are rejected out of hand and a range of measures, including reparations from rich to developing countries (and explicitly not a tax on migrant labour), measures to increase the useful contribution of remittances, measures to increase international research networks, to share (on non-commercial terms) teaching materials and access to research facilities, to promote exchanges etc etc are all also suggested as areas for debate.  In fact all the suggestions are not policy reccomendations but suggestions for debate.  Conveniently the person that was quoted in the Guardian chose not to mention these things, leading in my opinion to a gross misrepresentation of the actuality, the tone and the argument of the whole report.

The point about protocols is not raised in the report as protectionism other than expansive protectionism of everyone, and trade unions standing in solidarity.  Other suggestions include supporting the upholding of core labour standards, of mutual trade union recognition agreements, and supporting developing country trade unions through sharing membership fees etc.  All this comes from a secondary review (i was never asked or given the resources to conduct primary research - the whole thing was ten days work) of literature produced mainly by African academics writing on the issue - look at the websites in SA and Zimbabwe in particular.  

It is also explicitly stated that the numbers of foriegn nationals woirking in UK HE are insignificant in terms of the UK labour market - and that UK HE needs these workers, because of skills gaps in HE and an ageing workforce.  The whole thrust of the report is that the UK benefits enormously from skilled (and indeed other migration).  Protocols are suggested for debate as a means of leverage to try to enhance the benefits that could accrue to developing countries from the 'brain drain'.  I now recognise that this paragraph can be taken out of context and substantially misinterpreted - this is what the Guardian column does, and this is what I object to.  As such that paragraph has been redrafted to ensure full clarity and that it cannot be taken out of context and misrepresented.  However, the basic point is that the report was never about "a racist, discriminatory policy" against skilled black Africans"" as you say.  It was about international solidarity and reflecting the concerns raised by African trade unions through Education International.

As I say, I have no intention of carrying on this debate as it seems clear that there is no way of making somebody believe the intentions behind the report and the material in it, if this is not what they want/choose to hear.  However, (not that I suppose it matters) I would though point out that I find it absolutely objectionable/offensive/hurtful to be misrepresented in this way when such views are completely opposite to my own.  I also think that it is highly dangerous to jump on anything that mentions migration and label it as right wing and racist - this risks vacating all that ground to the right - something that posts higher up in this thread seem not to want.

Finally, I think we are on the same side(!), and it is an enormous shame that unity in opposition to the racists who comment regularly on migration issues is fractured in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this is my last attempt at this, as replying to people that haven&#8217;t actually read what I wrote is starting to eat up a lot of time.  </p>
<p>The point I was making is that the paragraph in question was taken totally out of context - in the rest of the report remmittances are considered, the reasons for migration are considered etc etc, the whole issue is presented as highly complex.  Also restrictions on migration are rejected out of hand and a range of measures, including reparations from rich to developing countries (and explicitly not a tax on migrant labour), measures to increase the useful contribution of remittances, measures to increase international research networks, to share (on non-commercial terms) teaching materials and access to research facilities, to promote exchanges etc etc are all also suggested as areas for debate.  In fact all the suggestions are not policy reccomendations but suggestions for debate.  Conveniently the person that was quoted in the Guardian chose not to mention these things, leading in my opinion to a gross misrepresentation of the actuality, the tone and the argument of the whole report.</p>
<p>The point about protocols is not raised in the report as protectionism other than expansive protectionism of everyone, and trade unions standing in solidarity.  Other suggestions include supporting the upholding of core labour standards, of mutual trade union recognition agreements, and supporting developing country trade unions through sharing membership fees etc.  All this comes from a secondary review (i was never asked or given the resources to conduct primary research - the whole thing was ten days work) of literature produced mainly by African academics writing on the issue - look at the websites in SA and Zimbabwe in particular.  </p>
<p>It is also explicitly stated that the numbers of foriegn nationals woirking in UK HE are insignificant in terms of the UK labour market - and that UK HE needs these workers, because of skills gaps in HE and an ageing workforce.  The whole thrust of the report is that the UK benefits enormously from skilled (and indeed other migration).  Protocols are suggested for debate as a means of leverage to try to enhance the benefits that could accrue to developing countries from the &#8216;brain drain&#8217;.  I now recognise that this paragraph can be taken out of context and substantially misinterpreted - this is what the Guardian column does, and this is what I object to.  As such that paragraph has been redrafted to ensure full clarity and that it cannot be taken out of context and misrepresented.  However, the basic point is that the report was never about &#8220;a racist, discriminatory policy&#8221; against skilled black Africans&#8221;" as you say.  It was about international solidarity and reflecting the concerns raised by African trade unions through Education International.</p>
<p>As I say, I have no intention of carrying on this debate as it seems clear that there is no way of making somebody believe the intentions behind the report and the material in it, if this is not what they want/choose to hear.  However, (not that I suppose it matters) I would though point out that I find it absolutely objectionable/offensive/hurtful to be misrepresented in this way when such views are completely opposite to my own.  I also think that it is highly dangerous to jump on anything that mentions migration and label it as right wing and racist - this risks vacating all that ground to the right - something that posts higher up in this thread seem not to want.</p>
<p>Finally, I think we are on the same side(!), and it is an enormous shame that unity in opposition to the racists who comment regularly on migration issues is fractured in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: owukori</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-527</link>
		<author>owukori</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is true that India has managed to create a lucrative medical tourist industry.  It is just a shame that it has not been able to provide adequate medical care for the majority of its citizens.  Furthermore it is also a fact that organs sales are rampant in India whereby the poor are encourage to sell their organs (generally kidneys). Now who buys these organs?  Israelis are apparently the number one purchasers of Indian organs followed by other Western nations. Funny how things go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is true that India has managed to create a lucrative medical tourist industry.  It is just a shame that it has not been able to provide adequate medical care for the majority of its citizens.  Furthermore it is also a fact that organs sales are rampant in India whereby the poor are encourage to sell their organs (generally kidneys). Now who buys these organs?  Israelis are apparently the number one purchasers of Indian organs followed by other Western nations. Funny how things go!</p>
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		<title>By: imnakoya</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-526</link>
		<author>imnakoya</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-526</guid>
		<description>I'm a little late jumping in, but I will regardless. Yes, the government has a role to play in all this. But what is the role of the private sector? Check out India, the country is palgued with a lot of problems like many African nations, however, they have been able to entice foreigners to come to India for medical treatment, at a cheaper cost and yet make impressive profit. See my post Medical Tourism in Nigeria &lt;a href="http://grandioseparlor.blogspot.com/2005/06/medical-tourism-in-nigeria.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://grandioseparlor.blogspot.com/2005/06/medical-tourism-in-nigeria.html&lt;/a&gt;
You may also read: The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid By CK Prahalad. 
It is unfortunate that we can no longer expect the government to do everything, in fact this is no longer feasible in some parts of Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late jumping in, but I will regardless. Yes, the government has a role to play in all this. But what is the role of the private sector? Check out India, the country is palgued with a lot of problems like many African nations, however, they have been able to entice foreigners to come to India for medical treatment, at a cheaper cost and yet make impressive profit. See my post Medical Tourism in Nigeria <a href="http://grandioseparlor.blogspot.com/2005/06/medical-tourism-in-nigeria.html" rel="nofollow">http://grandioseparlor.blogspot.com/2005/06/medical-tourism-in-nigeria.html</a><br />
You may also read: The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid By CK Prahalad.<br />
It is unfortunate that we can no longer expect the government to do everything, in fact this is no longer feasible in some parts of Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: owukori</title>
		<link>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-525</link>
		<author>owukori</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.blacklooks.org/2005/05/africas_brain_drain.html#comment-525</guid>
		<description>I assume you are referring to my last comment on the Guardian reports rather than the intial post?  However I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say here? Your report may well be 70 pages long but if only one two or three paragraphs refer to the Guardian report then I stand and I believe so too would the African lecturers by the final paragraph 

 "AFrican lecturers are quite rightly accusing the government and the trade unions of "using their benign concern about the brain drain as a cover for "a racist, discriminatory policy" against skilled black Africans".

With regard to remittances why is it that people always assume that they consist simply of monies sent to individuals or families.  Much of the remittances monies are actually used for start up busineses, such as factories, farms, shops, professional services, services and so on thus creating jobs and having a positive affect on the local economy.  I personally know of many such businesses in Nigeria alone. Another example is the Moroccan town of Beni Mellal in the central Middle Atlas  which I visited just two months ago. The town is prosperous and booming all due to the remittances sent home by its citizens mainly in Italy but a few in Spain over the past 15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you are referring to my last comment on the Guardian reports rather than the intial post?  However I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say here? Your report may well be 70 pages long but if only one two or three paragraphs refer to the Guardian report then I stand and I believe so too would the African lecturers by the final paragraph </p>
<p> &#8220;AFrican lecturers are quite rightly accusing the government and the trade unions of &#8220;using their benign concern about the brain drain as a cover for &#8220;a racist, discriminatory policy&#8221; against skilled black Africans&#8221;.</p>
<p>With regard to remittances why is it that people always assume that they consist simply of monies sent to individuals or families.  Much of the remittances monies are actually used for start up busineses, such as factories, farms, shops, professional services, services and so on thus creating jobs and having a positive affect on the local economy.  I personally know of many such businesses in Nigeria alone. Another example is the Moroccan town of Beni Mellal in the central Middle Atlas  which I visited just two months ago. The town is prosperous and booming all due to the remittances sent home by its citizens mainly in Italy but a few in Spain over the past 15 years.</p>
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